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red sox have allowed 221 runs this half. second worst is the white sox at 194. We've allowed 14% more runs than the NEXT worst team. we would be better off if we traded pitching staffs with the white sox. the freaking white sox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ha! I just checked the Box Score for the first game today. The RED SOX Danny Jansen got a hit, but Les Jays Bleu Danny Jansen went hitless. What a looser!
 

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Keep that box score in the newspaper (doesn't exist) by clipping it.
 

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great question i just heard a fan askL: "If the analytics say you have to pull Criswell and not let him face the lefties a second time (referring to Sunday's game vs the tigers) then what do the analytics say about how bad our bullpen has been?"

GREAT QUESTION! I'd love to see the math that says the letting Criswell go deeper in the game would be WORSE than asking for 5 innnigs form our bullpen.
 

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I'm a fan of analytics in baseball... can be very useful. But I also like the more old school approach with pitchers... if they're looking locked in and pitching well, let them roll. As was the case with Criswell the other day.
 

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I literally have no recollection of Aaron Hill ever playing for the Sox lol


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The Red Sox bullpen might be one of the worst in MLB history in the second half. To put it quite honestly, if they switch bullpens with the White Sox, the worst team in MLB history, they would VASTLY improve.

In the second half, the Red Sox bullpen has posted (so far) a 6.37ERA, and allowed 161 runs, 138 of them earned.

The White Sox are the NEXT worst team in two of those categories, and are not even CLOSE to the Red Sox.

The Twins have posted a 5.11ERA and the White Sox have allowed 130 runs, 120 of them earned. The NEXT worst teams have allowed 31 fewer runs, and posted 1.26 less ERA. That's just the 29th ranked teams. That's AWFUL, and we aren't even CLOSE to that.

The best teams in these categories are Brewers 2.61 ERA, and Astros 61 runs allowed, 53 earned.
 

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So I listen to the podcast of Tony Maz's baseball hour and... i mean... we know he's an ass, but I like to listen because sometimes there are some decent takes. But I'm pretty pissed off because he has been talking all week about this Ken Rosenthal article and REALLY spinning out of control with conspiracy theories. Basically he's saying the Red sox put this stuff out there about signing Bregman to get rid of Casas (Devers moves to first) because they are sick of Casas, they want him gone, and they are doing this to light a fire under Casas and tell the league he's available.....


Maybe it is just me but I'm not getting that AT ALL. Rosenthal does not say anything about "unnamed sources think...." in the Red sox organization. To me this article is him just presenting a scenario OF HIS OWN OPINION, not in any way implying that he got any info from the Red sox that they were planning on doing this.


Maz, for reasons I don't understand, absolutely HATES Casas. He went on to quote another article by Jen McCaffery I believe (not sure where he read it) about how Febles was saying that Casas wanted to spend time working on popups down the right field line that Febles said happen very rarely and they wanted him doing more routine infield work. Maz was implying that casas is basically uncoachable, thinks he knows everything, want s to make the flashy plays to get attention, and the coaches are sick of him.


Yeah I agree with Febles. Casas has done some ugly things at first since returning. But EXCUSE ME, if the coaches want Casas to work on X, and Casas wants to do Y, why the hell are the coaches complaining about it to the media? Here's an idea, tell him NO, we're working on this today, and not that. THIS IS A MUCH LARGER INDICTMENT on the coaching staff than Casas. Do your job! YOU set casas's schedule, don't let him dictate that. Tell him if he wants to work on popups he can do it after the game for as long as he wants, but here is the plan of what we're doing today.


Maz thinks the Sox need to trade Casas. i can't believe how DUMB that is. we have had a revolving door at first for YEARS, and the injury, which derailed his entire season, has set him back. But all these guys, Teal, Anthony, Campbell, Meyer, know what all our AAA talent has in common? None of them play first base! Why would you introduce chaos into that position when Casas offers you stability there. You want to give up on the guy because injury ruined his season, and you think he has a lousy attitude? Come on. Plus i don't want to see Devers at first either.



I would only trade Casas if he can be part of a package to get a young controllable STUD pitcher (and that will likely cost Casas plus a top 5 prospect) and Breslow can in turn sign a stud right handed 1B. If those people exist, fine. But I'd prefer to see Casas play a full season.

 

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Why the Red Sox need to add a right-handed masher in the offseason​

BOSTON, MA - AUGUST 11: Alex Bregman #2 of the Houston Astros bats against the Boston Red Sox during the fifth inning at Fenway Park on August 11, 2024 in Boston, Massachusetts. (Photo By Winslow Townson/Getty Images)

By Ken Rosenthal
Sep 13, 2024
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Picture Alex Bregman playing third base for the Boston Red Sox next season. Wait, what about Rafael Devers? Move him to first. What about Triston Casas? Trade him for a starting pitcher of comparable ability and service, maybe one from the Seattle Mariners.
Sounds like a lot. But as currently constituted, the Red Sox’s position-player group is too young and too left-handed. And it will get even younger and more left-handed if the team in 2025 starts incorporating three top prospects — outfielder Roman Anthony, shortstop Marcelo Mayer and catcher Kyle Teel.

here is the Rosenthal article:


A roster with too many good young left-handed hitters is, admittedly, a first-world baseball problem. But playing at Fenway Park, where the Green Monster hovers over left field, the Red Sox need a greater right-handed presence, a complement for Devers similar to what Manny Ramirez was for David Ortiz.
The Red Sox’s last World Series championship club in 2018 featured right-handed might — Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts and J.D. Martinez. The 2013 World Series champions had Dustin Pedroia and Mike Napoli, Jonny Gomes as a part-time contributor and a number of switch hitters.
The 2024 Sox lack right-handed thump aside from Tyler O’Neill, who leads the team with 30 home runs but is heading for free agency. The return of Trevor Story helps, but Ceddanne Rafaela, Connor Wong and Rob Refsnyder are not middle-of-the-order types. Take away O’Neill, and Red Sox right-handed hitters have hit only 48 home runs this season, or three fewer than Aaron Judge.
Enter Bregman. Or Willy Adames, a shortstop who could move to third base. Both are scheduled to hit the open market this offseason. Story will play next season at 32, on the older side for a shortstop. He could move to second once Mayer is ready, unless another top prospect, the right-handed hitting Kristian Campbell, claims the position first. Which at this point seems likely; Mayer’s season ended with a lumbar strain and he has yet to play at Triple A.
Again, a surplus of quality players is a good problem to have. But the Red Sox are in a position not unlike where the Baltimore Orioles were 12 months ago. Sitting on so many young position players, they cannot fit them all onto a 26-man roster.
The Orioles last winter sent infielder Joey Ortiz and left-hander DL Hall to the Milwaukee Brewers for right-handed ace Corbin Burnes. At the deadline, they expended more of their surplus in a questionable deal for lefty Trevor Rogers, trading infielder Connor Norby and outfielder Kyle Stowers to the Miami Marlins.


The Red Sox, after spending years rebuilding their system, are rightly protective of their young talent. Their ownership, based on its recent spending history, probably would prefer a roster of minimum-salary players. But consider how their 2025 roster would look if at some point it included all of the Big Four — Campbell, Mayer, Teel and Anthony, who this week was named the No. 1 prospect in the sport by Baseball America.
That’s a whole lot of LHHs. And a whole lot of inexperience.
Yoshida is an obvious trade candidate, but good luck getting anything for him when he is owed $18 million in each of the next three seasons. Casas showed tremendous promise last season, hitting 24 home runs with an .856 OPS and finishing third for AL Rookie of the Year. He missed almost four months this season with a strained left rib cage, yet at 24 his future remains bright. The Red Sox won’t want to trade him.
But how else would they fit Bregman or Adames into their equation?
First baseman Pete Alonso is another free-agent option, but his addition would tether Devers to third, further compromising an already shaky defense. Outfielder Anthony Santander, whose 41 homers tie him for eighth all-time by a switch hitter, is another desirable option. But the Sox outfield already is overcrowded and features better defenders.
Bregman, who will play next season at 31, seemingly makes the most sense. He currently is dealing with elbow inflammation, but after a slow first two months is back to his normal production. He is an alpha dog who plays with an edge, a more talented version of Pedroia. And he has appeared in 97 postseason games, ninth all-time.
Red Sox manager Alex Cora knows Bregman from their days together with the Houston Astros. So, for that matter, does Detroit Tigers manager A.J. Hinch, whose club also could be interested in Bregman. The New York Y*nkee$ might enter the mix if they strike out on Juan Soto and want to move Jazz Chisholm Jr. to second. The Mariners and Arizona Diamondbacks are among the other clubs that could be in the mix.


Adames, who is roughly a year and a half younger than Bregman but less accomplished, represents a viable alternative if the Los Angeles Dodgers don’t grab him first. He is streaky offensively, but his 13 three-run homers this season tie Hall of Famer Ken Griffey Jr. for the most of that kind in a single season. His 30 homers overall are one shy of his career high.
How this all will play out is anyone’s guess. The supply of free agents who fit the Red Sox’s specific needs is limited. The open market is unpredictable. But after a season in which the Sox showed intriguing progress, more dramatic steps are necessary. Position changes. Signings. Trades. No team can win at Fenway Park being this left-handed. And no team can win with all kids.
 

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So I listen to the podcast of Tony Maz's baseball hour and... i mean... we know he's an ass, but I like to listen because sometimes there are some decent takes. But I'm pretty pissed off because he has been talking all week about this Ken Rosenthal article and REALLY spinning out of control with conspiracy theories. Basically he's saying the Red sox put this stuff out there about signing Bregman to get rid of Casas (Devers moves to first) because they are sick of Casas, they want him gone, and they are doing this to light a fire under Casas and tell the league he's available.....


Maybe it is just me but I'm not getting that AT ALL. Rosenthal does not say anything about "unnamed sources think...." in the Red sox organization. To me this article is him just presenting a scenario OF HIS OWN OPINION, not in any way implying that he got any info from the Red sox that they were planning on doing this.


Maz, for reasons I don't understand, absolutely HATES Casas. He went on to quote another article by Jen McCaffery I believe (not sure where he read it) about how Febles was saying that Casas wanted to spend time working on popups down the right field line that Febles said happen very rarely and they wanted him doing more routine infield work. Maz was implying that casas is basically uncoachable, thinks he knows everything, want s to make the flashy plays to get attention, and the coaches are sick of him.


Yeah I agree with Febles. Casas has done some ugly things at first since returning. But EXCUSE ME, if the coaches want Casas to work on X, and Casas wants to do Y, why the hell are the coaches complaining about it to the media? Here's an idea, tell him NO, we're working on this today, and not that. THIS IS A MUCH LARGER INDICTMENT on the coaching staff than Casas. Do your job! YOU set casas's schedule, don't let him dictate that. Tell him if he wants to work on popups he can do it after the game for as long as he wants, but here is the plan of what we're doing today.


Maz thinks the Sox need to trade Casas. i can't believe how DUMB that is. we have had a revolving door at first for YEARS, and the injury, which derailed his entire season, has set him back. But all these guys, Teal, Anthony, Campbell, Meyer, know what all our AAA talent has in common? None of them play first base! Why would you introduce chaos into that position when Casas offers you stability there. You want to give up on the guy because injury ruined his season, and you think he has a lousy attitude? Come on. Plus i don't want to see Devers at first either.



I would only trade Casas if he can be part of a package to get a young controllable STUD pitcher (and that will likely cost Casas plus a top 5 prospect) and Breslow can in turn sign a stud right handed 1B. If those people exist, fine. But I'd prefer to see Casas play a full season.


I honestly believe that if Casas didn't paint his fingernails he wouldn't get half the negative comments he does by many.
 

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Devers does not need surgery per this report. I sure hope they get a second opinion because as the article notes his shoulder was hurt literally since spring training so it is kind of hard to believe he just needs to rest it and he'll be fine. Also kind of hard to believe that if that is true, the Red Sox didn't IL him for a couple weeks or a month during the season rather than letting the guy who was clearly in pain and incapable of hitting home runs we've seen for the last two months go out there and play.

5HRs after the all star break and only 1 since August 18th
 

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Devers does not need surgery per this report. I sure hope they get a second opinion because as the article notes his shoulder was hurt literally since spring training so it is kind of hard to believe he just needs to rest it and he'll be fine. Also kind of hard to believe that if that is true, the Red Sox didn't IL him for a couple weeks or a month during the season rather than letting the guy who was clearly in pain and incapable of hitting home runs we've seen for the last two months go out there and play.

5HRs after the all star break and only 1 since August 18th
Teams in desperation mode do stupid things, and Cora seems to be especially prone to that phenomenon. It’s not really a surprise that he would take the “Deven's at 70%is still better than X” approach to things.
 

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Your depressing stat of the day.... the Red Sox were a putrid 28-38 in the second half. If they went 33-33 they would have made the playoffs. That's all they had to do. Just be an average team for the second half.
 

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..and another one, and something we've talked about recently too. Only the White Sox, Angels, Marlins and Rockies lost more games at home than the Red Sox.
 

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..and another one, and something we've talked about recently too. Only the White Sox, Angels, Marlins and Rockies lost more games at home than the Red Sox.
That's the one that's the real killer to me. At a bare minimum ANY competent Sox team should be able to go 44-37 at home. That's not even a great record, just merely good. They haven't even been able to manage that the past 2 years.
 

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Red Sox fire 6 coaches (no, not Fatse.........)

bleacherreport.com/articles/10138834-mlb-rumors-red-sox-fire-6-coaches-after-missing-mlb-playoffs-for-3rd-straight-season

The Boston Red Sox reached the American League Championship Series seven times and won four World Series from 2003 through 2021 but have been a far cry from that stretch of dominance in the three years since.
And they are reportedly making a number of changes as a result.
The Boston Globe and Jen McCaffrey of The Athletic reported Wednesday the Red Sox fired six different coaches from their staff after a third straight season of failing to make the playoffs.
Here is a list of who was fired:
  • First base coach Andy Fox
  • Bullpen coach Kevin Walker
  • Assistant hitting coach Luis Ortiz
  • Mental skills coach Rey Fuentes
  • Trainer Ben Chadwick
  • Bullpen catcher Mani Martinez
Many of them had been with the organization for years with Fox joining in 2011, Walker joining in 2020, Ortiz joining in 2022, Fuentes joining in 2020, Chadwick joining in 2023 and Martinez joining in 2005.

Martinez had been the team's bullpen catcher for more than a decade prior to this decision.
Boston will be under the spotlight this offseason as it attempts to reestablish itself as one of the gold standards of the league. It finished in third place in the American League East this season after two straight last-place finishes and will surely look to make up ground on the rival New York Y*nkee$.
Manager Alex Cora will be back after he and the Red Sox agreed to a three-year extension in July. That extension runs through the 2027 season, although the team struggled after he inked that extension.


Boston was 53-43 at the All-Star break and appeared to be a significant playoff contender in the American League. However, it went 28-38 after the break and finished the year at .500 with an 81-81 record.
Perhaps that will inspire the front office to make some significant free agent additions this offseason, but the overhaul started with the coaching staff.
 
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